Recently a guest left a comment that rather than respond to in the comment section, I thought the comment deserved it’s own post. I will be happy to engage you (Ngabo) in actual conversation and discussion, if that is your intent. However, I don’t tolerate trolling. So please, read first, and show your stupidity later. Your “enlightening” post unfortunately displays a very deep hollow where knowlege should be. But I’m more than happy to engage you still.
Ngabo starts off denying documented and historical facts by saying:
Your blog makes some interesting points,however it contains lots of falsehoods. I begin to doubt your sense of reason when you make such conspiratorial statements like “RPF through Uganda with backing from the USA and the UK initiated their 15 year genocidal plan that is ongoing in the Congo today.”–That is just plain bull. You know that, and many intellectuals like you who distort historical facts know that.
And while this blog is not big enough to hold all the documented evidence and information supporting my statements, I will give you ONE such example. Roger Winter, as Executive Director of the United States Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, gave direct physical and financial support to the RPF during the war in Rwanda. However, his support began years before the 1990 invasion of Rwanda by the RPF began. Keith Snow writes on Roger Winter:
The Association of Banyarwanda in Diaspora USA, assisted by Roger Winter, organized the International Conference on the Status of Banyarwanda [Tutsi] Refugees in Washington, DC in 1988, and this is where a military solution to the Tutsi problem was chosen. The U.S. Committee for Refugees reportedly provided accommodation and transportation.
But don’t take Keith Snow’s word for it. Roger Winter in his own words as described by Eliza Griswald on a profile piece she did on him:
But it was his experience working with Tutsis displaced from Rwanda — before the genocide began — that made him move on to the conflict zones themselves. Soon he was riding on the front lines in Rwanda in 1994 with the Rwandan Patriotic Front led by Paul Kagame. During the genocide, he flew home every few weeks to brief the U.S. government on what he witnessed firsthand. President Clinton’s later statements that he had not been fully aware of what was happening caused Winter, he says, to leave the Democratic Party.
Still not convinced? Maybe this is a bit less “conspiratorial” for you:
During those years, Washington was providing small amounts of training to the Ugandan Army – and to its Tutsi offshoot. One example is widely known: Kagame’s training in 1990 at the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. That same October, Fred Rwigyema led a surprise Tutsi attack inside Rwanda, moving to within 60 miles of Kigali, the capital, where the French helped fend them off. Rwigyema died under mysterious circumstances, and Kagame rushed home to take command of Tutsi forces. Did the Americans know by then that Kagame, a senior officer in the Ugandan Army, was also a top Tutsi insurgent? If they did not, someone should be shot – and not just at the Pentagon.
Washington would have gotten some of its best information from nominally independent refugee aid groups, who had a long – and some would say distinguished – history of working closely with both the State Department and Central Intelligence Agency. For the Tutsi refugees, the most visible player in this shadowy, ill-defined world was Roger Winter, now Assistant Administrator at USAID. From the early 1980s, Winter ran the U.S. Committee on Refugees, a private Non-Governmental Organization. Washington provided some 75% of his NGO’s budget, but Winter – unlike overt government officials – was free to help the Tutsis organize a conference in Washington in August 1988. The meeting greatly increased support from exiles outside Uganda to the political wing of the Tutsi army, the Rwandan Patriotic Front.
The RPF, as it was known, played down its Tutsi roots, called itself multi-ethnic, and placed prominent Hutu dissidents in leadership posts. But Kagame and his Tutsi associates kept it – and their army – under firm control, and continued to press for a change in the Hutu government of President Juvenal Habyarimana that would permit the refugees to return to Rwanda. Washington increased its support for Musaveni’s Uganda, which permitted his military to give increasing supplies of munitions, automatic rifles, mortars, artillery, and Soviet-designed Katyusha multiple rocket systems to Kagame’s Tutsi troops. With this support, the Tutsis stepped up their incursions into Rwanda from their Ugandan bases. The escalating attacks caused nearly a million Rwandans to flee their homes, which only strengthened the Hutu hardliners in selling their final solution. The attacks also persuaded the French, who saw an American (and British) hand in the Tutsi effort, to increase their support for the Hutus. Africa was seeing a new kind of proxy war.
How is that for proof of United States support of the RPF? Roger Winter is a very well known “lobbyist” with a lot of influence in US policy in Africa. So it does not take a genius, although in your case, a moderately intelligent person, to deduce that the RPF received backing from the USA through at least, one Roger Winter.
As usual, it did not take long for Ngabo to bring up another typical talking point, which was just disapproved at the ICTR. But I guess Ngabo doesn’t read much these days, or he/she spends his/her time reasserting the same debunked myths regarding the Rwandan Genocide either because he/she doesn’t know any better, or does so purposefully, or both. He/she says:
Its people like you,who masquerade hate speech into some form of intellectual discourse, that are doing an injustice to our people. The majority of Hutus in Rwanda who took part in the senseless massacres were duped by a small group of elites who cared more for their political interests. Indeed Hutus and Tutsi’s were killed during the period of 1990-1994. However the difference–as has been recognized by the international community of impartial intellectuals–is that Tutsi’s were targeted solely because of their ethnicity. That makes it a genocide according to article 2 of the UN convention. There was a deliberate and systematic attempt to destroy an ethnic and national group (based on how you define Tutsi’s)
Ngabo, you must have missed this:
judgments in the Military-I trial completely rejected the Prosecution theory of long-term planning and conspiracy to commit genocide by members of the former Rwandan military leadership. All four defendants were found “not guilty” of all counts charging conspiracy to commit genocide, based on the Chambers ruling that their actions prior to April 6, 1994 were based on war-time conditions, not planning to kill civilians or to carry out a genocide against Tutsi Rwandans.
This raises the more profound question: if there was no conspiracy and no planning to kill ethnic civilians, can the tragedy that engulfed Rwanda properly be called “a genocide” at all? Or, was it closer to a case of civilians being caught up in war-time violence, like the Eastern Front in WWII, rather than the planned behind-the-lines killings in Nazi death camps? The ICTR judgment found the former.
The Court specifically found that the actions of Rwandan military leaders, both before any after the April 6, 1994 assassination of former Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarima, were consistent with war-time conditions and the massive chaos brought about by the four-year war of invasion from Uganda by Gen. Paul Kagame’s RPF army, which seized power in July 1994.
Although the Chamber did not specifically mention more recent events, it is worth noting that this is the same government that was named in a UN Security Council commissioned report on December 12, 2008 as having invaded the eastern Congo (with Uganda) in 1996 and again in 1998 and have occupied an area 15-times the size of Rwanda since that time. Similar UN Security Council reports in 2001, 2002 and 2003, make clear that Rwanda and Uganda’s economic rape of the eastern Congo, and the resulting 6 million-plus civilian deaths, have long been an “open secret.”
Also, what impartial “international community” is Ngabo referring to? Is it Roger Winter? A well known, self asserting RPF agent? Is it Alison DesForge? A well know RPF agent and opportunist? Who is the “international community” that is so impartial, it’s found Kagame and the RPF guilty of war crimes, and crimes against Humanity? Ngabo is possibly referring to the Spanish and French Judges, or maybe, the December 2008 United Nations Report that found Kagame and his army guilty of ongoing heinous crimes in DRC. Oh…that’s not what Ngabo was referring to, but what he/she omitted from his/her answer.
Then Ngabo continues:
Now, when the rebel attacked Rwanda in 1990,they were attempting to return home–to a country that they had as much a right to inhibit as you did.You call them ‘angry rebels’ and deservedly so. Who wouldn’t be angry at being denied the right to their homeland.
There is no argument here that the socalled rebels or Ugandan army or whatever they were at the time, could or should have returned to their homeland. However, they violated plenty of human rights laws when they disturbed peace, and invaded a sovereign nation. And later, they went on to assassinate two presidents, and still walk around today with impunity.They harbor war criminals within their ranks including such terrorists as Nkunda. It’s a pity.
However, like many before him/her, Ngabo closes off with this little gem right here:
I can’t stop you and others of your intellectual ilk from denying the genocide,indeed,many European and American intellectuals deny that the Jewish holocaust ever occurred. People like you and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have a right to your opinions. However,i am afraid for the millions who fall prey to your slanted and manipulated facts.
If your intellectual convictions do not hold you accountable,history will.
And I am now convinced that Ngabo is purposefully ignorant of the facts, but has the potential to learn. This would not be typical conversation with a sympathizer if one of those gag orders was not exercised, namely, comparison between illumination of facts, and socially reprehensible individuals or assertion of genocide denial. And I just have to stop and laugh, because apparantly, “kagame is a war criminal/RPF guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity” = “genocide denial” AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wait…wait….ahahahahahahahaha. Woo. Too funny.
Stop being such Kagame apologists people. He’s guilty. He knows it. And the whole world will soon know it too.
And agreed, history will judge.